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Senate OKs guns in church bill

Posted: January 29, 2013 - 12:25pm

LITTLE ROCK — Legislation that would let church officials decide whether to allow people with concealed handgun permits to carry weapons in places of worship sailed through the Senate on Monday.

The House, in a voice vote, approved House Resolution 1003 by Rep. Richard Womack, R-Arkadelphia, which encourages federal officials to preserve the Second Amendment.

Senate Bill 71, the guns in church bill by Sen. Bryan King, R-Green Forest, passed the Senate 28-4.

King, who was elected to the Senate in November, filed similar legislation in 2011 when he was in the House. It passed the House but died in the Senate Judiciary Committee. Last week, SB71 easily cleared the same committee with backing from the National Rifle Association.

“What this bill is designed to do, or the intent is, to give each church the individual decision on what they want to do for security,” King told the Senate on Monday.

Sen. Alan Clark, R-Hot Springs, urged senators to support the bill.

“Being a pastor’s kid, maybe I’ve paid more attention to churches and church shootings over the years than others, but sometimes threats are made … if you know you are in danger, those people in church are in danger and you don’t have the money to hire security guard, you’ve got a problem and you would be violating the law if you carry a gun,” Clark said.

Opponents complained that church was no place for carrying lethal weapons.

“My Lord’s house is a house for prayer, not for guns,” said Sen. Linda Chesterfield, D-Little Rock.

Sen. Stephanie Flowers, D-Pine Bluff, said she supports the Second Amendment but expressed concern that the proposal does not require churches that allow concealed weapons inside to obtain liability insurance. She tried unsuccessfully to amend the bill to add such a requirement in committee.

“What would happen if someone, if some innocent one, was injured?,” she asked Monday.

King said later that he planned to run his bill in the House Judiciary Committee on Thursday. House Speaker Davy Carter, R-Cabot, predicted Monday the committee would endorse the bill and the House would pass it.

“The question that the General Assembly has in front of it is, should (churches) have the right to make that decision for themselves? I think they answer to that is yes, and I think the bill will pass the House,” said Carter said.

Gov. Mike Beebe has said he has no problem with the measure.

Womack, a House freshman, said last week he filed the nonbinding gun rights resolution that the House approved Monday in response to new gun restrictions proposed by President Obama in the wake of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre.

Among other things, the president has proposed limiting the maximum number of rounds in a clip and requiring stricter background checks for gun buyers.

There was no discussion on the measure before the vote.

Also Monday, the House gave final legislative approval to a pair of Senate bills and sent them to the governor.

SB 82 by Sen. Bruce Maloch, D-Magnolia, passed the House passed 96-0. It would would pay about 125 court assistants across the state for two months until lawmakers can find a permanent source to cover a shortfall in the Administration of Justice Fund.

Rep. Duncan Baird, R-Lowell, co-chairman of the Joint Budget Committee, presented the bill in the House and said a work group of legislators is looking for a long-term means of funding pay for court assistants. The bill goes to the governor.

In a 97-0 vote, the House approved Senate Bill 7 by Sen. Eddie Williams, R-Cabot, which would allow spouses of personnel stationed at military installations in Arkansas to transfer any professional licenses or degrees in health care or education that they have in other states.

SB 4 by Sen. Bill Sample, R-Hot Springs, passed in the House in a 98-0 vote. The bill would allow community colleges to call millage elections to raise money for the construction, operation and maintenance of buildings or to retire bonded indebtedness.

Current law allows community colleges to call millage elections to raise operating funds but does not specify that the schools can use millage revenue to pay off bonds.

The bill, which previously passed the Senate, goes back to the Senate for concurrence in a House amendment.

The Senate passed SB 56 by Sen. Jon Woods, R-Springdale, which would require out-of-state sex offenders to pay a $250 fee to register as a sex offender in Arkansas. The bill passed 31-0 and now goes to the House.

SB 53 by Sen. Jeremy Hutchinson, R-Little Rock, passed 35-0 and goes to the House. It would require doctors working for medical corporations owned out of state to be licensed in Arkansas to practice.

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lachowsj
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lachowsj 01/29/13 - 02:23 pm
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I'm with the gov

And I am in general agreement with Obama's attempts to limit gun violence--I have expressed that in this forum many times. But I have no problem if individual churches choose to have guns in their places of worship. I'm not sure I would want to go to any of those places but that should be their choice.

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i_wonder 01/29/13 - 02:57 pm
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I'm sure it's the concealed weapons that are keeping you from church.

You might want to avoid bars, strip clubs, Wal-Mart, Target, bookstores, restaurants, and outdoor events, too.

Good chance of concealed weapons there as well...just saying.

truthbetold
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truthbetold 01/29/13 - 03:51 pm
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Hahaha

I_wonder beat me to this one! So Lachowsj, are you one of the extremist like Quill (sorry if that insults you believe me not my intent) and feel like Obama's list of gun control suggestions are all great? And if so please try justifying why you think we need to band assault rifles? I really want to hear someone's reasoning that might be a little more rational than other trolls on this LCD blog.

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lachowsj 01/29/13 - 05:10 pm
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If you define extremist

If you define extremist as being among the 55% who favor banning assault rifles (See latest Pew Poll--http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/14/16510092-poll-majorities-favor-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks?lite) then yeah I'm an extremist. I will say that such a ban will by no means solve the gun violence problem. But it likely will go some way in reducing the number of dead in mass killings such as Sandy Hook. More important are the recommendations for universal background checks and the tracking of unusually large purchases of guns and ammo sold by particular dealers.

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i_wonder 01/29/13 - 05:28 pm
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well

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"But it likely will go some way in reducing the number of dead in mass killings such as Sandy Hook."

It's foolish to think that the shooter couldn't have accomplished the same result with 2-3 handguns that he had at his disposal.

But, whatever makes 55% of the people happy.

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arkansasobserver 01/30/13 - 09:08 am
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55%

What do you think would be the percentage of that 55% who could accurately describe the difference between an "assault rifle" and an AR-15? How many of that 55% have ever held an AR-15, or even seen one?

How about lets fix the broken, existing background check system so we can REALLY have some impact on shootings? What you are seeing now is the aftershock of copycats, responding to the massive publicity generated by media coverage.

truthbetold
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truthbetold 01/30/13 - 09:28 am
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If you want assault weapons banned...

then your an extremist! I am definitely in support of being able to have more extensive background checks and limit the way weapons can be sold and traded. Also for buying maybe less ammo at a time. I'm for a little bit of what Obama has brought up BUT to be for all of it is an extremist. And if you honestly believe 55% of the US wants to ban assault weapons then your insane. I bet I could take a poll and come up with 95% of americans wanting to keep assault rifles. The polls on either side make no argument so that I consider a mute point. Now back in reference to Sandy Hook, you do know that the massacre you speak of was done with a pistol right? So what bearing does banning assault weapons have that will limit this massacre? Please if you are going to debate come up with facts not assumptions. Here are some more facts, do you know this ban does contradict the constitution? Not that it has a chance in hell of passing but if it did then it would not only be unconstitutional but it would probably spark more violence. Then please tell me how they will go about collecting all of these rifles? So again tell me how you think this is going to help with gun violence and this time try facts not assumptions or polls.

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i_wonder 01/30/13 - 09:39 am
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"Now back in reference to

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"Now back in reference to Sandy Hook, you do know that the massacre you speak of was done with a pistol right?"

Not according to the M.E.

truthbetold
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truthbetold 01/30/13 - 10:03 am
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Right...

just like I could look up several that say otherwise..
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/01/30208-nbc-admits-no-assault-rifle-used-i...
Heck NBC even admits hearing from federal agents that the assault rifle was in investigators reports as being found in the car he drove up in along with the pistols recovered off of him. I could argue the conspiracy theory thing but I don't take it to the extreme that it was staged and there were CIA actors. BUT I do think the govt only gives out the information that benefits it's own intentions. Some how it got out though and no one will know unless they get to read the report which I'm sure is virtually impossible unless you have the right title.

i_wonder
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i_wonder 01/30/13 - 10:07 am
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well

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The weapon in the trunk was a shotgun, not a rifle.

The M.E. said that all the victims he examined were shot with the long-gun (.223).

Now, granted, there were reports that only handguns were found in the school.

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