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Shooting of boy accidental, Arkansas sheriff says

Posted: January 14, 2014 - 10:27am

FONTAINE (AP) — Authorities in Greene County say the weekend shooting death of a 3-year-old boy was accidental.

Greene County Sheriff Dan Langston says 3-year-old Logan Carter of Fontaine died from a gunshot wound to the head. The sheriff says a relative accidentally shot Logan with a .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun on Saturday.

According to the sheriff’s office, the boy’s family took him to Arkansas Methodist Medical Center in Paragould after the shooting. The boy was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Langston says officials are still investigating the case to determine whether any charges should be filed.

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ucantbserious
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ucantbserious 01/14/14 - 10:37 am
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Oh my goodness

That poor little boy's life cut short by complete recklessness.

lachowsj
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lachowsj 01/14/14 - 11:13 am
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Unfortunately

There are ten stories like this for every one story about a gun stopping a criminal. According to the Centers for disease control, the firearms death rate for children under age 13 is 25 times that of the other top 25 industrialized nations combined. Yet, The federal Consumer Product Safety Act, which imposes health and safety standards on consumer products, exempts firearms and ammunition from its requirements. That's just one more example of the NRA using its political muscle to protect manufacturers rather than purchasers of firearms. All they have to do is scream Second Amendment and all of their rank and file fall in line, much the same as when tobacco companies scream First Amendment so they can continue to advertise their deadly products. When will we learn?

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ConwayFan 01/14/14 - 11:49 am
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Stats

I don't mean to start a huge gun-control debate on such a sad article, but sometimes you have to comment when stats are blatantly untrue. The phrase, "There are ten stories like this for every one story about a gun stopping a criminal," is absolutely not true. Comments like that just further an untrue stereotype that accidental gun accidents are an epidemic in this country.

The facts are that firearms prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes per year, or 6,849 per day (See "Targeting Guns" Dr. Gary Kleck, Criminologist, Florida State University, Aldine, 1997). In addition, In less than 0.9% of violent crimes prevented by the use of a firearm is the gun actually used (See "National Crime Victimization Survey, 2000, Bureau of Justice Statistics).

By contrast, using data from the Center for Disease Control, in 2007, there were only 54 accidental gun deaths for children under the age of 13, which is still 54 too many (See "WISQARS Injury Mortality Report, Center for Disease Control, 2007). As a comparison, there were 999 drowning victims in 2007 and 137 firearm-related accidental deaths from ages 1-19. Since firearms outnumber pools by a factor of over 30:1, the risk of dying by drowning is nearly 100 times higher than from a firearm-related accident for everyone, and nearly 500 times more for kids five and under.

Let policy be made by facts...

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DanCDaves 01/14/14 - 12:16 pm
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Never let a tragedy go to waste, they say.

You didn't start the control debate; the comment you replied on did. You ended it. Thank you.

lachowsj
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lachowsj 01/14/14 - 01:03 pm
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Dr. Gary Kleck

Dr. Kleck has good credentials and appears to try hard to use good methodology in his studies. But his conclusions are controversial and open to academic question to say the least. For instance, Dr. Kleck claimed that armed women prevented 40% of all sexual assault, a claim that should have been seen as false on its face and from which Dr. Kleck himself later backed away.

Yes, "accidental gun accidents" are an epidemic in this country. Dr. Kleck's studies concentrate on defensive use of guns against criminals. The incident this article describes has nothing to do with that. Thus my focus on safety mechanisms on firearms themselves. This kind of accidental injury or death is much more common than accidents related to the defensive use of firearms like, for instance, shooting the wrong person.

For the record, I don't like accidental drownings either. That's why I am glad that pool products are covered by health and safety laws, unlike firearms. It is purposely misleading when gun advocates cite these kinds of unrelated statistics, like how many people are killed in car accidents. Let's try and stay on the subject.

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conwaygerl 01/14/14 - 01:39 pm
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Accidental alcohol deaths

Add up DWI-caused deaths and alcohol poisoning and you've got a bigger epidemic than guns.

If you want to stop the biggest cause of accidental deaths, ban alcohol first, then guns.

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InsGuru 01/14/14 - 01:43 pm
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umm..

"It is purposely misleading when gun advocates cite these kinds of unrelated statistics,"

Except they aren't unrelated statistics. It's a relativity issue, and is used commonly every day. Look at an automobile, it's rated with a 0-60 mph acelleration time, not "fast or slow". Fast or slow compared to what other car? A ferrari? A 1974 Volkswagen Beatle?

That's why you shouldn't use words like "much more common".... Much more common compared to what??

So when discussing accidental deaths, a statistic related to another source of accidental deaths is in no way unrelated, because if the end goal is to stop accidental deaths, then shouldn't step 1 be to focus on what's causing them the most?

lachowsj
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lachowsj 01/14/14 - 02:14 pm
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Unwanted deaths

Conwaygerl, you apparently didn't read my post above. The subject is accidental gun deaths. I don't like drownings and I don't like deaths from DWI or alcohol poisoning. Because these exist, that means we have to ignore accidental gun deaths? And when did I say I wanted to ban guns or alcohol?

Insguru, these things are only related if you are talking about the allocation of public monies. It is true we shouldn't throw all our resources at solving one problem when another problem is staring us in the face. Should we refuse to look at cures for cancer until we stop all heart attacks? No, we should try and solve both of those problems.

I began this discussion with a plea to look at gun safety and a question as to why gun manufacturers are exempted from safety requirements for their products. The answers I have gotten thus far are that more people drown or are killed from DWI, and a side argument about using guns against criminals.

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conwaygerl 01/14/14 - 02:23 pm
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Answer

All guns have a safety, there is your mechanism.
They will not fire unless a) loaded and b) the safety is off.

Airplanes have numerous safety features and still crash.

Anything man-made can fail or malfunction.

lachowsj
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lachowsj 01/14/14 - 02:53 pm
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My question

Cars have brakes. Why should they have headlights too?

Yes, airplanes have numerous mandated safety features and still (though rarely) crash. Would you prefer that these safety features not be required?

Anything man-made can fail or malfunction. You are saying that is a reason for not trying to make anything better?

Guns have external safeties. They could also have mandatory integral locking mechanisms, grip safeties, manual decocking levers, drop safety mechanisms such as firing pin blocks and loaded chamber indicators. I'm not saying all of these things should be required. I'm just saying we are not even having the discussion because of the powerful NRA lobby being able to get people like you excited that people like me are attempting to ban all guns.

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