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Legal group offers suggestions for Conway's visitor policy

Attorney for complaining group says proposed amendments are good, not enough

Posted: February 9, 2013 - 1:23pm

Liberty Institute’s suggested amendments to Conway school district’s policy on allowing lunchtime visitors is a “step in the right direction,” according to an official with Freedom From Religion Foundation, a nonprofit group that complained last year about ministers visiting children during lunch.

Foundation staff attorney Patrick Elliott said the amendments to the district’s policy are good, but he doesn’t believe the policy goes far enough.

“It would limit, to some extent, what access pastors have with students they don’t normally have contact with,” Elliott said.

He said he believes the amended policy presented by Liberty Institute represents a biased view in favor of broad access by religious leaders.

The Foundation, a nonprofit group based in Madison, Wis., advocates for separation of church and state nationwide. The group sent Conway superintendent Greg Murry a notice, written by Elliott, on Oct. 26 that said the group had received reports of a local pastor getting access to students in a school cafeteria during lunch.

The group said it is unconstitutional for the district to offer Christian ministers unique access “to befriend and proselytize” students on school property during school hours.

The district temporarily suspended the lunchtime visits while a review could be conducted on the school district’s existing policy.

Murry sought advice from a legal group in Springdale, Ark., in December, but then retained Liberty Institute pro bono in January after the group was recommended by Anderson Wilkins, K-Life director, according to documents obtained by the Log Cabin Democrat under the Arkansas Freedom of Information Act.

K-Life, a Christian ministry catered to young people, has a presence on most campuses, according to school administrators.

Liberty Institute is a nonprofit law firm that seeks to defend religious liberty in the public arena and was founded to promote free enterprise and Judeo-Christian values, according to the group and their tax exemption forms.

The term “Judeo-Christian values” was struck from the organization’s mission, but the group’s General Counsel Jeff Mateer said most of their clients are Christians. Mateer said the focus became to defend “religious liberty for individuals, churches, and other ministries and organizations.”

Elliott said Liberty’s findings are not surprising.

“We knew once (Liberty Institute) became involved, that was to be the likely outcome,” Elliott said. “The report doesn’t have full information about the past practices. Based on our information, that included youth ministers roaming the cafeteria in at least one of the middle schools and distributing promotional materials.”

Since the complaint was made public, Elliott has heard from other parents who corroborate the original claim, he said.

Elliott said he has received more specific information about K-Life visitors, but he knows representatives from other groups are visiting the schools as well.

The Foundation has no pending legal action, Elliott said.

“We want to see what happens in practice,” he said. “We’ve been contacted by a few parents on this, including parents who are members of the Foundation. They will know better about what will happen on the ground…if there are ongoing issues, then this is something we may still be involved in. I’ve reviewed some of what the superintendent and board members have said and it’s concerning. Their purpose here is religiously motivated. They want (religious visitors) to come to their schools rather than set up a neutral policy.”

Murry previously referred questions about the issue to Liberty. He said previously he wanted to make sure the district’s policy was legal.

Under the school’s current policy, non-religious and religious visitors are both permitted with certain restrictions.

Mateer said Friday he believes any legal challenge to the school’s policy would be unsuccessful.

On Thursday, Liberty Institute released a report of its own review of the school’s policy allowing non-student visitors. The group found the existing policy is “neutral,” and does not advance or inhibit religion.

“It is, in fact, completely agnostic as to the profession or affiliation of any non-student visitors,” according to the findings.

Mateer maintains the school’s policy is constitutional, but he said Friday he will present a suggested amended policy as requested at the Conway Schools Board of Education meeting at 6 p.m. Tuesday.

Liberty Institute amended the policy “to ensure that any confusion as to the nature of the policy is avoided and that the policy cannot be exploited in an unconstitutional manner,” according to Liberty’s report.

The recommended policy has some changes in wording and additions of practices Mateer said he believes are already in place.

One change is that visitors to the high school and junior high school will maintain a list of each student with whom the visitor is affiliated. The amendment states the principal of the school may exclude any visitor from engaging with students not on the visitor’s list. Mateer said he understands some ministries have already been doing this at some schools.

At elementary and middle schools, visitors may only have access to students whose parent or legal guardian has consented to the visit.

In all schools, the policy states a principal shall take reasonable efforts to segregate visitors and the students they are visiting from other students, such as providing a separate table for visitors and the students they are visiting.

“It’s up to the board to make a decision to implement our recommended change to the policy,” Mateer said. “From then, from my view point, it should be over.”

(Staff writer Courtney Spradlin can be reached by email at courtney.spradlin@thecabin.net or by phone at 505-1236. To comment on this and other stories in the Log Cabin, log on to www.thecabin.net. Send us your news at www.thecabin.net/submit)

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Bubba33
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Bubba33 02/09/13 - 04:48 pm
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Really? Am I reading this

Really? Am I reading this right? Murry claimed to seek legal guidance on a matter of religious influence in the public schools, and he sought that legal guidance from a blatently religious group? Wow...

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Terri Powers 02/09/13 - 05:25 pm
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Yes

Yes, Bubb33, you read that right.

crypted quill
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crypted quill 02/09/13 - 05:48 pm
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Is this the same group that

Is this the same group that believes in the 'wampus' cat spooky story?

'They say that the 'wampus' cat used to be a beautiful Indian woman.
The men of her tribe were always going on hunting trips, but the women had to stay home. The Indian woman secretly followed her husband one day when he went hunting with the other men. She hid herself behind a rock, clutching the hide of a mountain cat around her, and spied on the men as they sat around their campfires telling sacred stories and doing magic.

According to the laws of the tribe, it was absolutely forbidden for women to hear the sacred stories and see the tribe's magic. So when the Indian woman was discovered, the medicine man punished her by binding her into the mountain cat skin she wore and then transforming her into a terrible monster - half woman and half mountain cat. Ever after she was doomed to roam the hills, howling desolately because she desires to return to her normal body.

A man was hunting one night with his dogs when they both whimpered and ran off the path. At that moment, the woods were overpowered with a horrible smell like that of a wet animal that had fallen into a bog after it messed with a skunk. Then something howled on the path behind him and the man whirled around, dropping his rifle. His heart pounding with fear, the man found himself staring into the big, glowing yellow eyes of the Wampus Cat. The creature had huge fangs dripping with salvia. It looked kind of like a mountain lion, but it was walking upright like a man. Then it howled, and the man's skin nearly turned inside out in horror.

With a scream of terror, the man leapt backwards and ran as fast as he could through the woods, the Wampus Cat on his heels. He fled to the home of a friend who lived nearby, and burst through the front door only a breath ahead of the creature. His friend slammed the door in the face of the Wampus Cat. Instantly, it started shuddering under the weight of the attacking monster. The man's friend grabbed his Bible and started reading aloud from the Psalms. Upon hearing the holy words, the Wampus Cat howled in frustration and then slowly abandoned its attack and went back into the woods.

The man spent the rest of the night at his friend's place. When he went home at daybreak, he found his dogs huddled in the barn, shaken but still alive. The man never hunted after dark again.'

http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2010/08/the_wampus_cat.html

Hmmmm?

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sevenof400 02/09/13 - 06:15 pm
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crypted quill
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crypted quill 02/09/13 - 08:27 pm
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...obviously not to

...obviously not to oxymorons...but you're the expert oxymora.

PEARList
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PEARList 02/10/13 - 11:50 am
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Yeah

"youth ministers roaming the cafeteria in at least one of the middle schools and distributing promotional materials.”

As long as that kind of nonsense isn't going on, I don't see where there's a problem. The question I have now is this: what will be the consequences if it is determined that a visitor is promoting his religion to students he's not supposed to be interacting with? Will it be a slap on the hand, or will the person be prohibited from returning to the school?

I think allowing visitors is fine with parent approval, but the school has to understand that the moment a visitor starts trying to recruit kids to his religion or church, he's crossed a line. The school has a responsibility to make sure that line is not crossed.

Also I really really really hope a Muslim Imam starts coming to visit a student. If that happens I'd pay $7 a month to get to read these forums.

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Bubba33 02/10/13 - 01:14 pm
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This crap went on in the

This crap went on in the 1970's in the hallowed halls of CHS. If you think recruiting is not their agenda, you better think again. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. It needs to stop. This story would have a totally different flavor if the "ministers" were atheists.

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krg2 02/10/13 - 02:13 pm
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"If you think recruiting is

"If you think recruiting is not their agenda, you better think again."

Amen. It's insulting to even argue that this is ONLY about preachers ONLY visiting the children whose parents have signed permission slips...or that the school administrators who support this will do anything to make sure any rules that interfere with the true agenda are adhered to.

As demonstrated before, these folks obviously believe that if you're lying for Jesus it ain't really lying.

Perhaps these family's need to take some time-management courses if school-lunch periods (which isn't much time) are the only times their pastors have to talk to their children.

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i_wonder 02/10/13 - 09:28 pm
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uh huh

Unpublished

"If you think recruiting is not their agenda, you better think again."

And *I'm* the paranoid one?? SMH

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sevenof400 02/10/13 - 04:57 pm
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Leaving the religious considerations aside for a moment,

and given the typical lunchroom environment, you usually find school staff (meaning aides) on lunchroom duty. Monitoring, enforcement and reporting of issues related to this are going to fall on those individuals who already have their hands full monitoring one of the more challenging environments in school.

If this policy is allowed to continue, a principal must be in the lunchroom (or area where these visitors will be) throughout the entire period.

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