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Senate panel OKs bill to ban abortion if fetal heartbeat detected

Rapert testifies in favor of bill

Posted: January 31, 2013 - 12:19pm
Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Conway, testifies before a Senate committee Wednesday on his bill to ban abortion if a fetal heartbeat can be detected. The bill cleared the committee. JOHN LYON PHOTO
Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Conway, testifies before a Senate committee Wednesday on his bill to ban abortion if a fetal heartbeat can be detected. The bill cleared the committee. JOHN LYON PHOTO

LITTLE ROCK — A bill that would prohibit an abortion if a fetal heartbeat can be detected cleared a Senate committee Wednesday.

The Senate Public Health, Welfare and Labor Committee endorsed Senate Bill 134 by Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Conway, which advances to the Senate. The measure passed in a voice vote with at least two “no” votes heard on the eight-member panel.

Titled the Arkansas Human Heartbeat Protection Act, the bill would require a test for a fetal heartbeat before an abortion could be performed and would prohibit the abortion if a heartbeat is detected, unless the woman’s life is in danger or the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.

Rapert testified that a fetal heartbeat can sometimes be detected as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. He said the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the case Planned Parenthood v. Casey that states have the ability to protect life at the point of viability.

“It is a settled fact that you cannot have viability without the presence of a fetal heartbeat,” he said.

Bettina Brownstein, an attorney for the Arkansas Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, testified against the bill. She told the panel that “viability” means a fetus would be able to survive outside the womb and said a 6-week-old fetus is not able to survive outside the womb.

“If this passes, you might as well write a check to the ACLU or Planned Parenthood, because we will feel the necessity to go to court to protect the rights of women. … I can guarantee that if passed into law it will be overturned, and it will be expensive for the state of Arkansas,” Brownstein said.

The committee also heard testimony from Lori Williams, a nurse practitioner for Little Rock Family Planning, who held up a vaginal probe that she said would be the type of instrument used to check for a fetal heartbeat.

“This would require a woman to go through an invasive, medically unnecessary test that has been mandated by the Legislature,” she said. “Decisions about which tests a woman needs should be made by her doctor or her medical professional, not by the Legislature.”

Paul Phaneuf of the Fayetteville area, who said he was representing only himself, testified in support of the bill. He said the U.S. Supreme Court said in its Roe v. Wade decision that it was not able to determine when life begins.

“They said that it is the prerogative and the responsibility of the legislature to determine when life begins. That is what the state of Arkansas, it would seem to me, is trying to do with this bill,” Phaneuf said.

Sens. Linda Chesterfield, D-Little Rock, noted that the bill apparently obligates the woman to pay for the procedure. Sen. Stephanie Flowers, D-Pine Bluff, said she has received emails from hundreds of constituents who oppose the bill.

“The sentiment from these emails of women, it’s like, ‘We don’t understand why we can’t be in charge of our bodies,’” Flowers said.

Chesterfield and Flowers voted against the bill.

Gov. Mike Beebe told reporters later he is studying the measure.

“There’s always a concern to ensure that we don’t do anything that violates the law in some fashion, that costs taxpayers’ money,” Beebe said, but he said he has not yet taken a position on Rapert’s bill.

The bill appears likely to fare well in the Republican-controlled Senate. From there it will go to the House Public Health Committee, which is comprised of 11 Democrats and nine Republicans.

Rapert told reporters he has secured commitments from a majority of members of the House committee and is confident his bill will clear the panel and the House.

Regarding testimony that the bill is unconstitutional and would be challenged in court, Rapert said that “I believe life is worth fighting for.”

“There was one time in this nation that it was legal to enslave African-Americans; it was constitutional. There was one time in this nation when women could not vote; it was constitutional. There’s a time when you have to stand up for what is right,” he said.

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Trin
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Trin 01/31/13 - 05:22 pm
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Absolutely shameful. Rapert

Absolutely shameful. Rapert needs to read a biology textbook - 'viable' means that the child can survive on its own......not that a heartbeat is detected. That is BS. Some women doesn't even KNOW they are pregnant by the time there is a fetal heartbeat, and thusly - the male-dominated hillbilly politics of Arkansas will essentially outlaw all abortions. ALL. ABORTIONS.

Anyone ever wonder why - strangely enough - the ONLY detractors to these stupid bills are WOMEN? Gee......how weird. I say, until they invent a drug that allows a man to experience menstruation for a few years, all men are kept out of political decisions regarding abortion and reproduction. How about that?

If this bill passes - it will exemplify Arkansas as one of the states that's dragging the USA down the plughole of backward-thinking, medieval choices that will ensure that women and minorities are merely a commodity to be traded.

This is not a pro-life bill; it is a pro-birth bill.

Abortion is a medical procedure that should be available to every and all women. Period.

Reallyyy
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Reallyyy 01/31/13 - 06:46 pm
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Wow

Trin, I am so sorry that you see this as such an evil thing and yet see abortion as so wonderful. And before you go off on me and call me callous and backward, hillbilly or whatever, I must assure you that this is not an argument from ignorance but rather from experience.

Abortion is ending life, period. I know, I'm half of the creator of a life that was taken by this method. Not a day goes by that I don't wonder what that life that would be 30 years old today would have been like. What great things that life could have accomplished, what joy, heartache, love, sorrow, pain and happiness that life could have brought to this world if only it had been given the same opportunity as the other parent and I had to live our lives. But when it came down to it, our night of unbridled lust that created this life ended in that life being sucked out of the uterus by a tube connected to a suction machine and disposed of so that we could go on down the road with our lives "intact". Well guess what, the relationship failed miserably after the abortion, blame, regret, pain and heartache ruled both of our lives afterwards.

We've gone our separate ways and now God has forgiven me and blessed me with my own children and the children of my spouse to raise and go forward with.

If we had heard the heartbeat of that child, I doubt very seriously we would have gone forward, but we were "counseled" not to treat it as life, we didn't and now we wonder what would have and could have been.

Abortion is the taking of life, PERIOD>>>>>>

Reallyyy
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Reallyyy 02/01/13 - 08:08 am
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Wow

5 thumbs down? Really? No wonder anti life individuals get elected. Rome is burning all around us, God save us

lachowsj
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lachowsj 02/01/13 - 08:11 pm
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Dear Reallyyy

I am so sorry that you went through the experience that you did 30 years ago and still have such unresolved feelings. If you were "counseled" not to treat your pregnancy as a life, that was unconscionable because it stepped on your established belief system. Any counseling regarding unplanned pregnancy should include a full exploration of the religious or philosophical beliefs of the mother regarding pregnancy. No pregnant mother should be "talked into" anything. However, when you say, "Abortion is ending life, period. I know...", my answer is that you only know in terms of your own beliefs. No woman should be forced or pressured to get an abortion. And no woman should be forced or pressured to carry a child to term against her will. That is the essence of choice.

sevenof400
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sevenof400 02/02/13 - 12:31 pm
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Then a woman should be more judicious...

..about her mating habits.

i_wonder
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i_wonder 01/31/13 - 11:18 pm
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biology lesson...

Unpublished

"'viable' means that the child can survive on its own"

Some disabled people live their entire lives unable to survive on their own. Do you support aborting them at any given point in time?

18 month olds can't survive on their own.

If trying to protect the innocent is "hillbilly", I guess I need to be fitted for some overalls.

Reallyyy
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Reallyyy 02/01/13 - 08:05 am
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Practical

Great point, in addition to that I submit that no newborn can "survive on its own", what about feeding? What about changin diapers, what about that?

Trin
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Trin 02/01/13 - 08:12 am
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You are joking,

You are joking, right?

'Viable' in fetal terms means that the fetus can survive outside the uterus, breathing on its own, without being connected to the mother via the placenta.

'Viable' does not mean that the fetus can go get its driver's license, run errands for granny, and cook her dinner at the end of it all.

When was the last time someone was pregnant with a fully grown disablled person?

With all the medical science, equipment and assistance in the world - an eight week old human embryo is NOT viable and will not survive outside the mother's uterus. Period.

What they are trying to 'protect' here is the POSSIBILITY of another human being, not the life of one. That means coercing and subversing the woman into keeping the pregnancy, even when it is perfectly legal and safe to make the choice to end the pregnancy at an early date.

Never has 'be fruitful and multiply' been so hideously perverted.

Reallyyy
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Reallyyy 02/01/13 - 08:44 am
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No, I am not joking

Trin,

I see that you and are not going to ever agree on this topic and that disagreement is probably based on deeply felt convictions. I cannot speak to your own experience, nor you mine, however I hope and pray you never have to go through the experiences I have that have built my convictions and feelings. It is my prayer for you.

By the way, legal and safe does not make anything moral and right. I also challenge you to ask anyone who has been aborted how safe it was for them.

sevenof400
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sevenof400 02/02/13 - 12:34 pm
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Never has ....

...thou shalt not kill been so ignored.

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