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The last lunch?

Posted: January 19, 2013 - 5:33pm

I was lucky enough to spend my entire youth in one place, Jonesboro, Ark., which I called “the land of milk and honey,” mainly because you could not find any alcohol there. My formative years not only rooted me in one city and in one house but also with one church.

As a lifetime member of First Baptist Church in Jonesboro, I grew up in a nurturing environment with one pastor, one sanctuary and, most importantly, one youth minister.

His name was (and still is) Jim Burke. He was everything you want a leader of young people to be: friendly but authoritative, funny but clean, inspirational but not ham handed. He led not by simply spouting off scriptures but by living a life that we as youth should emulate. Many times I thought the phrase should be “What Would Jim Burke Do?”

He loved watching the Georgia Bulldogs, playing basketball and listening to Styx. Yes, my youth minister loved a band who named themselves after the river in Hades.

During my senior year, Jim would come to the high school for lunch. He didn’t bring a Bible or a devotion book. His time at the school was not for soul conversion. His time there was for bonding, for visiting with the kids who were constant attendees of FBC, with those who showed up less frequently and with those who made their only stops at church on major holidays. The lunchtime conversation revolved around sports, movies, music, classes, clothes ... anything but John 3:16.

I think back and remember what a cool person he was to come and spend his lunchtime talking to a bunch of acne-covered, parachute pant-wearing, anxiety-ridden nerds. He spent his time listening to problems, laughing at jokes. What he didn’t do was hold an impromptu bible study while we were trying to force down our soyburgers and fruit cups.

Being a Baptist, I knew that we had Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday night and any other church-sanctioned event to fill ourselves up with the Holy Spirit. A mere 30 minutes before my chemistry test, I don’t really want to have a quick lesson about Mary and Martha. I want to decompress.

As of a few days ago, someone like Jim would not be welcome at Conway Public Schools. A letter from the group Freedom From Religion has stopped that, for now. Their stance that youth ministers (or any ministers) that arrive on school grounds to visit with students infringes on the terms set forth by the Supreme Court which clarifies the distinction of “separation of church and state.”

That story has been reported, and many people have chimed in to us, using whatever portions of knowledge they can to drive their point home. Some say that no harm was being done, that those who came to the school only did so to see students they already knew. Others have refuted that, saying that their experiences with religious visitors at school have resulted in evangelizing and uncomfortableness.

What is the truth?

Certainly the cafeteria of a public school is not a place to hold a tent revival. I would also surmise that pamphlets or brochures would and should be inadmissible. Even an invitation to a student not normally in the group could be seen as an intrusion. I mean, what if a Catholic minister was available delivering certain teachings that are not consistent in Protestant backgrounds. What if your child came home asking about the teachings of Buddha or, say, L. Ron Hubbard? I’m sure you would prefer they came home asking about algebra or the Revolutionary War.

It’s an easy stance to be upset at the administration’s decision, even if it may only be temporary. But some of the instant reaction sounds as if these people have lived a life of repression. Trust me, Christianity in America has never been in the minority. We don’t know anything about being repressed.

I wonder what Jim Burke would do? He may have been upset. But he may just tell us, “I’ll meet you to shoot some hoops after school.”

True ministering can happen anywhere.

 

Richard Duke is the Editor of the Log Cabin Democrat. You can reach him at ricky.duke@thecabin.net or follow him on Facebook at facebook.com/editorduke.

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Candie Beck
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Candie Beck 01/20/13 - 10:44 pm
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Truth

Your last sentence is the absolute truth of it all.

We all have had ministers who instilled a message or value in our lives that didn't have to come while we were sitting in church or a school lunch room.

I bet yours is proud to be the subject or your first column. :)

Scarlet Sims
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Scarlet Sims 01/21/13 - 12:50 pm
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Teaching by questioning

When I was about 5, the private Christian school I attended had all the children "vote for president." We all got pieces of paper with a square beside each candidate's name — Reagan versus Walter Mondale.

All the children turned in their "ballots" and then teachers counted them. Reagan won. But there was one vote, just one among about 30 children, that was checked for Mondale.

The teacher asked the little girl: "why?"
All of us looked at her. She was a freckled 6 year old who still sucked on her fingers. But she very articulately said: "Because I'm tired on Reagan interrupting my Saturday morning cartoons."

This girl didn't just vote like her parents planned to. She voted because she thought it over. She had a reason. For the first time, I realized I didn't have a reason. I didn't know why I voted for Reagan.

All of that to answer this question: "What if your child came home asking about the teachings of Buddha or, say, L. Ron Hubbard? I’m sure you would prefer they came home asking about algebra or the Revolutionary War."

It's not the question, but the inclination to think and the courage to ask the question.

I don't care what my son asks me as long as he is asking. I want him to pick his favorite president because he's read about it and thought about it. I want him to see the world and ask: Why is it like that? What is Buddha? Who is he now? Who in L. Ron Hubbard? What is a president? Can I be one?

When my son asks questions I can't answer, (usually physics related) I find the answer or I find someone who can. I am a reporter, after all. I can find out. When it's a religious question, I answer according to our family's beliefs, but I don't hide the fact that other people believe differently.

Children aren't little adults, true. But they aren't dumb either. They deserve to be able to see different places, hear different languages and ideas and ask questions.

That's why I no problem with anyone of any religion talking to my son. And, at the end of the day, he will turn to me to ask his questions.

fdsjfsdjfsda543543543
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fdsjfsdjfsda543543543 01/21/13 - 04:26 pm
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Yes, but your views as a

Yes, but your views as a parent do not reflect everyone's views as a parent. And in a public place like a school, there is plenty of legal precedent about kids being protected from having someone else's theology rammed down their throat. If I want my kid to receive a christian education, that's my job. Who it's not is the holier than thou youth minister from NLC to sneak into the school lunchroom and start telling him he's going to hell if he doesn't accept JC!

catstangbear
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catstangbear 01/21/13 - 06:12 pm
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Did he really say that?

Did the youth minister really tell your child at lunch at school that he was going to hell if he did not accept Jesus? I can't always tell from written accounts if someone is using hyperbole to embellish their point.

i_wonder
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i_wonder 01/22/13 - 10:07 am
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hyperbole

Unpublished

He didn't "sneak in" either, that would be an entirely different issue if that were happening.

fdsjfsdjfsda543543543
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fdsjfsdjfsda543543543 01/22/13 - 12:24 pm
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Yes, the "sneak in" part is a

Yes, the "sneak in" part is a metaphor for what he was there to do. Not the physical presence of the person.

i_wonder
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i_wonder 01/22/13 - 12:31 pm
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clearly

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someone did not read the OP.

Scarlet Sims
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Scarlet Sims 01/22/13 - 06:31 pm
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I realize my view is not

I realize my view is not everyone's view. Nor would I expect it to be. But why are we so afraid of what other people tell our children? Why don't we want children to hear about other religions and ask questions? What do we have to fear if we are strong in our own religions and beliefs — no matter what form those take?

Courtney Spradlin
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Courtney Spradlin 01/29/13 - 01:16 pm
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Dude, I just read this. Wow.

Dude, I just read this. Wow.

BuzzBy
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BuzzBy 01/29/13 - 02:10 pm
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And What The

Unpublished

Freedom From Religion people don't get is they live by choice (they can always leave the USA) in a country that was built and based on Freedoms of all kinds but mostly Freedom of Religion.

Also by allowing any minister to visit @ lunchtime to speak with members of their congregation any invites need to be student to student and let them work it out. Just like student lead prayer.

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