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Freedom and Religion II - You Gay? It's OK!

Being a gay person growing up in Arkansas in the 1960’s was pretty tough.  Gay was not even the common phrase used in that era for homosexuals, which in itself is a bit of a misnomer.   A friend once told me an asexual is a person who “entertains themselves”, a bi-sexual was a person who “entertains themselves, and others of either the same sex or the opposite sex“, and a tri-sexual was a person who “entertains themselves and persons of both sexes.”   Either way you look at it, the nomenclature is kind of set in stone at present and for purposes of this blog, I’ll stay with the current one.

Growing up gay in Arkansas is not much easier now, but there have been great improvements.   Gay Pride Parades in multiple cities (including Conway), and a broader understanding and acceptance of gay people has come about especially in the younger, millennial generations.  Unfortunately because there are so many religions which disdain the very existence of gay people, there is still a lot of intolerance and acceptance.  Intolerance and acceptance itself is even a subject of great discussion and denial.   It is hardest to be gay when you are young and have no one with whom to discuss your feelings.  I, among others, came out to my parents when I realized at a young age I was not the same as most people.  They refused to accept it, and insisted they would not even discuss the matter as they had never discussed sex with anyone before and would not do so with me.  They were confident I could “pray the gay away”, so to speak.  It was a great disappointment to me as they had always insisted they were my best friends in life, no matter what.   Unfortunately the disappointment and pain felt by many gay young people ends in suicide.  The waste of a young person’s life is so heartbreaking.  But it has been and still is often the result of rejection, especially the rejection of ones’ own family once they “come out”, let alone the rejection of your peer group and friends you have had all of your life.  Do not take this route.  You are a good, valuable, loved person, even though those around you cannot understand you at the moment.

This rejection is promulgated very heavily in many major religious brands.  Some congregations, including Lutherans and Methodists have begun to accept gay people, not only in their congregations but in their clergy.  This is not true of every instance of these churches, but many have.  The Metropolitan Community Church is one which accepts people of all genders and sexuality without discrimination.   Unfortunately, most young people are brought up in the church of their parents, many of which do not hold tolerance for gay people and do not accept them in their congregation or clergy.  Many young gay people attend these churches and quietly hold their peace, as I did for a long time as a member of a Missionary Baptist Church.

Soon enough though, I found someone , who felt as I did and we could discuss it openly.   It helped but neither of us really could imagine the future, being gay, since it has a lot to do with major decisions one makes in life.  Especially in the 1960’s and early 70’s since marriage, children and such could not even be considered.   Having a confidant kept us grounded and lead us away from the choice of ending our lives.  In our discussions we realized we would not have to stay where we were and once you become an adult, how you live your life, is your business, no one else’s.  

Today, things are much better than the 60‘s and 70‘s, even here in Conway, where there is a small but outspoken gay community.  There are more adults who do not disparage gay people, and even businesses which seek and attract the gay community.  There are also those businesses which decide to discriminate against gay people, not only in hiring, but in the operation of their business.  In the larger cities, where many if not most gay people eventually migrate, you will find acceptance and often even disinterest in the fact you are a gay person.  For many people, it just doesn’t matter, but for many here, especially those who attend the “evangelical” churches and proselytize to the young, (even at school), there is total intolerance of your existence as a gay person.  If you are a young gay person here in Conway, and you are “under the thumb” so to speak, you will be OK.  Just hang in there.  Do your best to find a confidant whom you know you can trust and who will accept you for who you are.  This must be a careful decision on your part, because trusting people is difficult and you risk exposure should you choose wrong.  If you do choose wrong, and become exposed,  you may feel you have lost everything and find it hard to continue.  But you can.  You are just as good, if not better, than the rest of the citizens of this town and state, regardless of what you are told and taught at home, in school or church.  You are a valuable member of this community and you must not accept the judgment of others who will condemn you in many ways, as those who read this blog will me shortly. 

The constitution gives you the freedom of religion and the freedom of choice.  Both of those freedoms are very important to every person, especially those of us who are gay.   God gave you life.  Yes, gay people were created by God, just like everyone else.  Believe it.  It is true.  Even the intolerant churches will tell you, God has a purpose for everyone.  He has a purpose for you too.  Live your life and find your purpose, and if you begin to doubt, always remember you were created equal to all persons and you still are!

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Edmond Dantes
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Edmond Dantes 03/15/13 - 06:34 pm
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Well Said

Thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful piece. I served along side many gays in the armed forces and found them to be strong people, survivors. They had likely endured more growing up as children in this land than I did. I had it easy compared to any person born gay or of color. I still continue to serve all in my community and I have not a care for their race, gender, or sexual orientation. I love all my neighbors as myself and only expect that we all live to the best in our character. Be a good man, be a good woman, be a good dog... Thanks again for saying what all of us know to be true in our hearts. And for those who can not accept above blog statement, repent for it is not your place to judge. Love thy neighbor as thyself, peace, I'm out!

If decided to take a softer tone in life. The reality movement is evolving faster than republicans positions on gaydom. (TM) lol
Obama is president, the economy is moving right along. Police are still on the street, fire trucks, ambulances, why my kids even got to go to public school today the " sic gesture" did not even shut it down. OMG I can't believe it.
Life is going on even though we have less war to drive our economy.
I got to admit life is kinda good. In this community there is progress on every corner. The street departments are feverishly working to bring us ease of movement through this previously congested town.
You must admit this town was suffering from atherosclerosis prior to roundabouts. Shout out the Mayor because it happened under your oversight. Well played as my son would say. If you are willing to work hard there are jobs out there. But it is also time to bring honesty to all business, integrity as well, maybe a dose of compassion and omg I almost forgot accountability. Now I'm really out.

reader
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reader 03/15/13 - 09:31 pm
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Thanks Edmond

I decided if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. I too, like those who proselytize in our schools, can speak about things I know about. I thought a long time about doing this, and intend to make it a bit of a series about real life, instead of the fairy tales we have been told for years by those before us, who are afraid to think for themselves.

Life is a tough road for everyone and those with experience in things can pass along the values of those experiences, here through the generosity of the LCD allowing us to use their freedom of the press, another of those Bill of Rights items not often appreciated by the "other wing". As much as they protest their belief in the unlimited freedom of religion and right to bear arms (of any type), they rarely sit so tall in the saddle about the other rights, guaranteed by the amendments in the Bill of Rights.

I have simply chosen to use my freedom of choice, freedom of speech and freedom of association and religion as I wish. I doubt it will be appreciated much, like my last blog post, but if no one speaks out, there are young people here in our community who face challenges which they cannot deal with in the society which surrounds them, so I decided to speak out. As I said above, many young gay people feel lost and feel they have no way out, so they choose suicide or other destructive means to rebel in their lives. If my message only reaches one of them who is under the pressure of the non-accepting society around them, hopefully they can gain a little hope, and realize they are valuable people, just like everyone else, and they can contribute to society, have happy lives, and they have the freedom to do so. I doubt this is the message being proselytized in our schools by "youth ministers".

On the other note, yes the economy does seem to be recovering, despite all the efforts by the GOP to block every effort put forth by our President. The CPAC has been entertaining. This year the main description of the event has been "the bar scene from Star Wars" LOL!

The round-a-bouts have certainly improved the traffic flow and despite all the complaining, (mostly by those confused by circles) a lot of gas is saved every day along Harkrider and Prince Streets where many used to sit idling for long periods waiting for the lights to change. Conway is growing in many ways. Hopefully a little truth about people, freedoms, sexual identities and reality from me, will help move it an inch or so closer to present times. LOL! Thanks again for being a realist, they are in short supply around here!

Igor Rabinowitz
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Igor Rabinowitz 03/15/13 - 11:22 pm
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Look, kid, let me give you some tips:

First, write shorter. This is teh Internets, not the New York Times Book Review. And even if it was the NYT, they'd tell you to write shorter. You got, maybe, a 600 word essay there, tops.

Emerson's dead and in the grave, Whitman too. And even if they weren't, nobody would want to read their stuff outside the media & lit crowd who have the time for such. Internets gen man, shorter.

Also, if you're gay, shouldn't you be in a better mood?

I keed, I keed.

Because you're making another key error.

If your point is that people are anti-gay by saying "all religious people are ______" are you not contributing to the problem?

Are you not building walls? What does that fix?

You're stereotyping.

If I said "All gay people are all about show tunes and choreography," I mean really, what would that make me?

Your mistake is classic: You're taking the worst and you are identifying the group by them. And here again, just like those who play they "They're all drag queens" thing.

No they're not. No "they," in the history of they-dom, has ever been "all."

And look, maybe you're a drag queen who's into choreography.

Dude, I don't care, and I love God. You could be sitting there right now, in your very clean space tastefully decorated while your freshly waxed body sips a cocktail with an umbrella in it, reading this and hoping your mascara doesn't run, and I don't care.

I. Don't. Care.

I could go on, but Internets. Short. So this: You're confusing religion and God. I'm sorry, truly, you've had such a bad time with religious types (so many of us have) and I could see with your deal how that would be especially painful. And I am sorry.

But walls man, walls won't work. Bridges, they work.

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reader 03/16/13 - 12:25 pm
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Thanks for your input Igor

but I respectfully disagree with your conclusions. My "mood(s)" have nothing to do with my blogs, my experiences do, and I'm in a great mood, almost all of the time. The length of my blog posts, are my choice. Your choice to refer to me condescendingly as "kid" is your freedom of choice but not helpful for a positive dialogue.

Your statement: "If your point is that people are anti-gay by saying "all religious people are ______" are you not contributing to the problem? "

I did not make the statement or express that opinion. In fact, I gave examples of religious institutions which are accepting of gay people, their friends and family, who are my audience, not those whose only agenda is to promote an "exclusion dogma". The only "they(s) I spoke of are my parents and one time referring to gay people when "they" come out.

No, I am not stereotyping and I choose to tear down walls, not build them. When the walls cannot come down, I am suggesting how to escape or deal with them. I am trying to reach those who are young, vulnerable, and confused about their sexuality and need some guidance to assist them when there is no other source for the information. As I said, often those who are confused and distraught about sexuality or being gay, ends in suicide. I want to end their thoughts of suicide by letting them know, it will get better, no matter how hard it may be at present, under the circumstances of their lives.

Your decision to stereotype me "You could be sitting there right now, in your very clean space tastefully decorated while your freshly waxed body sips a cocktail with an umbrella in it, reading this and hoping your mascara doesn't run" is just another attempt to insult me and to degrade others' image of me due to your personal dislike of me. So what? Do you want me to wear a pink star so you can identify me better?

You stated, "I Don't Care". Why do you bother to respond to my posts then? Why not go back to spending your time on your amateur comedy posts/blogs and enjoy yourself. As for bridges, they have two ends, and most engineers know they can be completed faster by building from both ends at the same time.

When you are gay and walk in the shoes of a gay person, you can speak with authority. Otherwise you are just exercising your freedom of speech to attack what you cannot understand, in this case me and gay people. It is the usual response from the ignorant and the scared, but you have the freedom to do so, and personally I do not consider you among the ignorant.

Igor Rabinowitz
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Igor Rabinowitz 03/16/13 - 09:01 pm
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Whoa whoa whoa

>>>When you are gay and walk in the shoes of a gay person, you can speak with authority.<<<

And yet you speak with authority of the intent of religion-heads? (Yet you equate religion with God?)

In your utopia, is myopia.

>>>>Your decision to stereotype me "You could be sitting there right now,<<<<

Hi, yeah, that's called "making a point by proving the flawed logic." See, you weren't supposed to think that's what I really thought, but understood the flaw in my assertion as proving my point .... seriously dude, just....

So there's an old saying: Never try to teach a pig to swim, it just gets you wet, and annoys the pig.

Seriously dude, hug yourself.

reader
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reader 03/17/13 - 10:33 am
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Your logic as well as your statements are

incorrect. You have now made two contradictory statements in your posts:

1:You're confusing religion and God.
2:You equate religion with God.

So which is it?

I do not equate religion with God nor confuse religion with God because I believe organized religion to be a failure of people to understand God, by believing in the writings and preaching of men, who are flawed beings. This is my belief and part of the reason I no longer participate in organized religion. My freedom of choice, there again.

Your stereotyping of me came after your attempt to claim I was stereotyping by using the word "they". Your entire "theydom" soliloquy was unnecessary, when I clearly pointed out I did not use the "theydom" stereotype as an absolute for anything or anyone. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Hopefully you will be less "annoyed" before you have to go to church today. I tire of "teaching you to swim".

BuzzBy
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BuzzBy 03/19/13 - 07:06 am
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I'll NOT Sterotype You

Unpublished

But it is always the same thing WHAA WHAA WHAA WOE is ME
I grow up homosexual during the 60's
You say that like you were black in the 60's because black people were treated so well back then too.
Then you attack Christianity as a whole and say they prosecuted you.
All I know is I dare you to go flaunt your happy arse around in a Muslim country and just see what happens.

justoffcenter
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justoffcenter 03/18/13 - 10:16 am
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Please read your own advice.

First, write shorter. This is teh Internets, not the New York Times Book Review. And even if it was the NYT, they'd tell you to write shorter.

Igor Rabinowitz
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Igor Rabinowitz 03/18/13 - 10:39 am
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No

I will not

justoffcenter
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justoffcenter 03/18/13 - 08:51 pm
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OK

That is funny crap.

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